Tuesday 25 November 2008

The Means of Production.




After some discussion (on the previous post's comments page) with KB I decided to wikipedia class to see what it had to say.

I am pleased to see that it broadly reflected what I had to say with regard to the definition of class. KB raised many pertinent points which I believe are exactly the type of question the man on the street would ask when the problem of class is posed.

One major contribution to a person's class status which I have overlooked (Which is strange, as I am always lecturing my work mates about surplus value and commodity exchange values) is their relationship toward the means of production.

A person who owns the means of production controls all of the profit and decides how to use that profit. Usually they decide to use it to pay themselves nice fat wage slips. They decide what to pay the workers and how to invest.

In effect the owner of the means of production owns the producers (workers). This goes some way to explaining some of behaviours I describe in the "Technical hierarchical superiority does not in any way infer a social hierarchical equivalence" post.

The question is :- Why do the owners of the means of production get paid such vastly different sums to those whose labour is used to actually produce?

What if the workers owned the means of production? Why does it have to be owned by a few individuals in the corporation or by the shareholders? Think about it.

Where do these owners actually get the profit from in order to pay their own wages/dividends?? I'm glad you asked.

We will use a Liquid pharmaceutical product as an example.

First we must consider why the bourgeoisie, (to borrow a term) need to employee anybody in the first place. After all these employees are just an annoying cost that the employer constantly plots to get rid of (As we are constantly told). The answer of course is that in order to make anything we require people. Machines on their own are not enough. Machines break down. Machines need to be operated etc etc.

Now, the workers during their interaction with the machines are imparting value to that product. They must be. They take raw materials and turn them into a finished product. The product is something that people want to buy. The finished product is sold for more than the sum of the parts (This includes transport costs and labour costs etc). In other words it's sold for more than it cost to make. The raw materials don't just float into reactors or test themselves to comply with FDA, or bottle themselves and then drive themselves to the supermarket. From where does this extra value arise? Where does the cost of any product ultimately originate?

It comes from labour time. Employees are paid for their time. Labour is required to make the product, to test it, to bottle it, to deliver it. The quicker or more efficiently this can be done then the lower the labour costs (It takes less labour time). To put it simply a factory that turns out 2000 bottles an hour can sell these bottles at half the price of a factory that turns out 1000 bottles an hour when all other things are equal (labour costs, raw materials etc).

But and here is the BIG BUT.

The more efficient factory doesn't sell its product at half the price (it may sell at a reduced price for a while to force the other out of business), it pockets the difference and makes even more money.

Where does this increased efficiency come from? You can talk about stock control, cash flow manipulation, more energy efficient machines etc. until you are blue in the face. It comes from getting the workforce to add more value to the product by taking on more and more tasks, finding quicker and better (better for who?) ways to make a high quality product (Think Kaizen, lean, six sigma, kanban, self managed teams etc).

So here we are. Value is added to any product by the labourer. The faster the labourer can add value to a product the more cheaply it can be made and the greater the profit margins. Increased profit margins are great news for the Bourgeoisie and Petty Bourgeoisie. They get a nice bonus, much increased pay etc etc.

So what is profit when related to the worker?

A worker adding value to a process adds £20 of value to a product/products every hour. However, and this is the trick, the worker gets paid £10 an hour. The owners of the means of production pocket the other £10 of value. They make £10 profit per hour per worker. They do nothing but sit there and watch the money meter tick round.




A problem arises. The more efficiently a product can be made, the cheaper it becomes. If competitors are trying to beat each other then they can use price to undercut each other. But the shareholders still want their dividends and the city wants to see growth. Lower prices mean lower returns. Costs must be cut to maintain/grow the profits. Obviously job cuts are looked at as well as other cuts (departmental stationary budget etc). If a company is already running on a skeleton crew then this is difficult. One way is to reduce the amount paid to the worker or new workers that replace others through natural wastage through retirement etc. This way the difference between the value that the worker adds to the product (Still £20 hr but is now paid £8 hr) and the "cut" that the Burgiouse takes increases. Of course the product is cheaper in the shops and so returns less money but the lower wage more than covers this.

One way companies do cut wages is to employ temp staff on lower hourly rates or by employing foreigners who will work for less. This is even better for the top hats because they can get rid of temps at the flick of a hand. This means they can frighten them into accepting poor conditions and poor wages. The cut increases still further!!!

An insidious way to scrape even more profit from the workers is by getting free labour from them. That's right, by making workers work breaks or lunch that they are not paid for. The worker is adding that self same value to the process but is getting nothing !!!! in return. The cut increases even more!!. No wonder the board members of a certain phama company have grins tattooed to their faces.


What does the man who actually creates this value and increased profit actually get?

He gets an end of year performance review. This is dressed up as a way to reward those that are doing a good job. What actually happens is that those who contribute to increased efficiency get a inflationary pay rise (Or no pay rise at all really because its in line with inflation) while the owners of the means of production get increased profits and nicely inflated wages.

It is not militant to demand your breaks if your not paid for them.

It is not wrong to work to contract. What is the point of a contract otherwise?

Unions are not a menace or outdated romantic idea.

All the rights you have at work today were fought for by people like you, for people like you.

To answer the question I posed earlier :- What if the workers owned the means of production?

The answer is of course that there is no cut to be taken by the Top Hats. Therefore all the value added to a product left over as profit is the workers to pocket and take home.

Many people fall into the trap of thinking that the tophats create wealth and they poo poo wealth redistribution.

Well now you can see they are wrong.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

The workers are actually owned by the government and then the people whom they own money to - future work life owned.

Anonymous said...

You also cannot judge a business owner by your own personal position. The worker needs the owner more as the owner already has their house/car/power shower paid for.
The capitalist striving is a personal problem. If an owner/prospector has used their ability/family to own a company then they are fully able to take whatever pay packet they see fit.
The aim is to live as a King, with your jesters and rich food, lack of physical exercise to die fat and incontinent. Remember that it isn't a long time ago that most jobs involved heavy labour down pits or in factories with further from that, agriculture was yet again a greater physical labour.

The point is, if you don't want to work for 'the man' as number 9827398, then you must make your own path. Then you will be 'your man'. Although this also includes removing oneself from a capitalist attitude to oneself and their society.

Kev Brown said...

(1)So what are you going to do about it?
(2) Using soundbites like bourgeosie (what is the difference between petty bourgeosie and bourgeosie?) is wasted and beyond ordinary peoples (certainly mine) beliefs and concerns. You should consider your choice of words as these terms are outdated, when you use this kind of language, it appears that you are talking above people instead of on their level, which in turn makes you sound as though your lecturing them instead of talking these points through with them! In much the same way that managment talk down to people with terms such as Kaizan etc.
(3)If an owner of a company offers a set wage for tasks demanded, why do we take this work?
(4)The labour party (whom you appear to support) will not change anything!
(5)The TUC is an employer, what diffence do they make? A shortage of membership (income) causes cuts (redindancies) just like business
(6)Derek Simpson on a huge wage (a fat cat then!)
(7)The owner of a company/business originally set it up on his own. If he/she is self employed making ceramic plates to sell to Joe public on the streets, he/she has done so by buying his own equipment, raw materials, premises etc. so he can make his product and sell it (at a profit) so he makes a living. If demand for his product increases beyond his supply capacity then he is limited to this or he increases his production. The commonest way to do this is to enlarge his capacity (he invests) and also to employ someone else, to assist in/increase production. Now he then employs this worker, what does he pay them, does he split the profit or pay them a wage? Why would he want to split the profit? He on his own has created the business and spent his money, and the new employee/employees have not! There is nothing wrong in making a profit in a business so long as that business:-
-treats the workers with respect
-pay them a wage that will keep him + his family above any threshold to survive
-does not abuse them
-pays a guaranteed above threshold pension
-involves them in propsed decisions on the business (value their contribution)
(8)Unfortunatley the labour government has done nothing in employment legislation to effect these aspects
(9)It imposed a minimum wage and reviews it from time to time, but this wage is still way below a living threshold level
(10)Even the TUC's proposals for an even higher minimum wage are still below threshold level
(11)You are right when you say (previously) that some TUC + union leaders should retire, but in essence the TUC organisation doesn't listen to it's members in exactly the same way business does not listen to it's employees
The TUC hierachy decides that:-
-it will give money to the labour party
-it belives that immigrants should have jobs (ours)
-supports policies without member consultation
-generally still involves itself in international/foreign affairs
(12)Business will do what they want if not one effort is put into force to protect fully, workers righs and job security
(13)I personally do believe a job should be for life, business leaders and under managers work towards that aim for themselves so why shouldn't we?
(14) The labour party has joined the conservatives in accepting this is not possible or believing it, so what is it's purpose?
(15)What you have had to say about workers and control of production is well documented and can be found by reading many authors-Marx, Hobshawn, The Fabians etc (which is what you have obviously done!) but workers don't need to be lectured by you or by managment. They need to be listened to by government, business/employers and unions!

Kev Brown said...

I also apologise for any bad spelling and grammer as I typed it out at work so was in a bit of a hurry! Also in my last point it could be interpreted that I'm saying you shouldn't continue writing your articles, that is not the case, I enjoy them very much!!!

Kev Brown said...

OMG! richy manic, do you know that whilst you while away the years online reading other peoples blogs, that you are being announced "presumed dead" over in the real world?????

IS it the real world?????????????

Kev Brown said...

Another question Bob, Don't you think that people are greedy by nature and that the workers owning and running the company would start to cream off more and more of the profit until one day they realized that they had no money left to re-invest in machinery and research and development etc etc. So there would eventually be no advancements in technology and improvements to their products, and that they company would fall into a state of dis-repair and eventually break down until there was no company left to run?

Kev Brown said...

I think that it's the hierarchies that are in place which prevent this from happening to businesses today, if the workers were running the show, then it would fall apart sooner rather then later!

Fendertele said...

I fearfor brett's sanity if he really believes what he has written

I understand why richy may believe his flawed logic but I think he missed the point of my post.

As usual KB has raised some excellent and difficult points.

I shall answer one at a time.

1). Not a lot.Raising awareness and talking about it is a start. Answering points raised by you and others helps to find the pitfalls of my argument and allows me to strengthen it further.

2) Point taken. The Bourgeoisie approximate to the upper class and petite bourgeoisie to the middle class.

3) Good question. The answer is one of ignorance. If a company offered a wage and nobody applied for the job giving low wage as the reason then the company would have to up the wage. The way the company get round this is by allowing workers from poorer parts of the world to apply. A certain Inc. Goods department is a case in point.

It is a question of ignorance because many people believe that the company is doing them a favour by offering them employment. They believe that any wage is better than no wage and so meekly accept what ever they are given. "Of course any wage is better than no wage!" you may shout at me. Well actually its not. You are not on this earth to accept the scraps that are thrown from the establishment's dinner table.

This explains why capitalist governments are always so waxing lyrical about globalisation. It allows them to use cheap labour from other countries, thereby forcing workers in this country to accept poorer wages.

4) I don't support the labour party as such but I would vote for them in a straight choice between them and the conservatives (which is what our strangely undemocratic "first past the post" election system has created) . If people can tear themselves away from papers like the Daily Mail and the Express then they will see that labour has done a few good things (min wage which doesn't go far enough and which the Tories fought every step of the way).

5) If there were no and never were any trade unions then you and I (plus million of others) would be in a much worse position.

6) I don't know what derrick Simpson earns but I think its much less than Bart Becht or other FTSE 100 company leaders.

DOn't misunderstand. Im not for everybody earning the same wage.

7) Actually the guy who makes ceramic plates has not bought his own equipment and premises. He has taken a loan out to do this.

The profit comes from exploitation of the worker (by paying them less than the value they are adding to the product).

If nobody applied for the job then his expansion would go down the toilet.

Im worried that you believe its ok to pay someone a wage that keeps them just above the threshold to survive. That is capitalist extremism 101.

8) See min. wage and child benefit.

9) Tories opposed this bitterly. The min. wage is too low because the top hats and business leaders bitterly opposed its introduction and have had to be compromised with. Remember the cries of "It will destroy British business" and "we will be too uncompetitive", "We will simply move abroad etc etc". All nonsense and lies. The same nonsense and lies that are spouted whenever legislation for the mass's is advocated.

10) I don't know what its min wage proposal is but you have to remember that the Unions have been taking a hammering for years. They need to appear to be realistic because the unawakened feel that they are just a nuisance organization for the lazy. Also the living threshold level is notoriously subjective.

11) The labour party is the best (not perfect) available vehicle for the TUC to get what it wants. An organisation (especially a left one) cannot risk being labelled racist in this day and age. It cannot oppose foreign workers. That is the job of the BNP.

12) I agree. Your proposal is?

13) Jobs could be for life in a planned economy. That job may change as the output needs of a nation change but employment for life can be a reality.

14) The labour party and the Tories are at odds about many things. This current financial crisis (started by thatchers free market reforms) will highlight these.

15) Yes I have read a few Marxist books over the last few years and they make perfect sense to me. The problem is that workers generally don't know what they are talking about. They either don't have time to realise what is happening to them because they are busy working silly hours for low pay or are congratulating themselves that because they have a flat screen TV and a VW golf that they don't belong to the union class's. Morons.

JJ said...

Bob, class post as usual. Now get off your arse, get thee elected, you've my vote.

Incidently, don't worry about going 'independent'. Terry Geraghty is an independant in Hull. He's been a great grass roots help to my mum since pops died. Hope you sent questionaire to him. You might get a surprise.

Fendertele said...

The people being greedy point is a good one Kev.

I think your viewing the problem from a capitalist slant which is understandable.

Q .Why do we need more advanced machinery?

A. To make the product cheaper to produce and increase profit.

Q. If we paid all our workers (In a co-operative set up as mentioned in my post) a reasonable wage or simply returned to them the value they add to the product then why do we need to increase profit? There are no shareholders to keep happy, only ourselves.

The R&D question is one of necessity. New innovations would come about from a social perspective rather than a commercial one.

As an example think about your T.V. Over the years the picture has got better, the style has become more appealing the screen has got flatter, new storage devices for recordings have appeared etc etc. The advances would be quite astonishing
to people only 10 years ago. The R&D that goes into these projects exists because the company wants to sell you an item that you are going to throw away in 5 years in order to buy the next one.

Yeah well all that's good stuff you might say.

Well its a shame that the advancements in consumer electricals cannot be matched by advances in cures for cancers, heart disease etc etc.

Ask any man who is going to die tomorrow if he'd swap all of that stylish Sony crap for a cure to his illness.

Yet cancer research, and other disease research relies largely on charity!

The kind of commercial (Big Pharma companies) research that goes into drugs at the minute produces drugs that are very expensive and come with effectiveness studies which have had their figures scuffed in favour of drug effectiveness.

The expense can come from the time taken to bring a drug to market because of lengthy trials which rightly need to be carried out.

Therefore companies are not going to try for the really hard solutions which may become the cure for everything because of the risk of failure and wasted investment. Easier to go for the safe drug which is likely to pass trials.

Also when these drugs are invented they have a 10 year patent. This makes the drugs ridiculously expensive and forces NHS patients to go without. A drugs company I recently worked for were perusing a case in india to try and stop them making generics (The same drug manufactured by someone else usually sold for a fraction of the cost of the original). So people die when the drug exists to save them. All in the name of profit.

You may say that the company deserves maximum return for bringing the drug to market. I say that people deserve to live instead of being held to ransom

A planned economy could make a conscious choice to pursue these things at the cost of consumerist garbage. If push came to shove people would bin their i-pod nanos in a milli second in favour of a cure to their illness. Their free market sympathies would be flushed down their designer bog.

Kev Brown said...

Firstly let me say that when you wrote "It is a question of ignorance because many people believe that the company is doing them a favour by offering them employment. They believe that any wage is better than no wage and so meekly accept what ever they are given. "Of course any wage is better than no wage!" you may shout at me. Well actually its not. You are not on this earth to accept the scraps that are thrown from the establishment's dinner table." that was brilliantly put, I couldn't agree with you more - you almost brought a tear of joy to my eyes to hear what I feel, put so concisely!

You keep picking on 'The Daily Mail' what about 'The Sun' a "paper" read much more widely by "Joe Public" or did you mean as a tabloid read by the middle classes? If so then Pat who lives in our canteen at work is the epitome of working class and only ever reads 'The Daily Mail' I would say the middle classes read The Times, Guardian, Telegraph etc. much the same as the upper classes!

You briefly mentioned Child benefits, what have they got to do with the working class? They shouldn't even exist! Because everyone should have an 'above threshold' wage and a decent job! Throwing money at the poor solves nothing!

Although in essence, I agree with you! I really must say tut tut! One minute you are fighting your crusade and standing up for the workers, then in the next breath you say "The problem is that workers generally don't know what they are talking about." and even more strongly, refer to them as morons! If the workers want to congratulate themselves for having a flat screen TV (I'm sure you meant in every room!) and VW golf, then that's their choice!
With comments like these you are verging on Stalinism and close to telling people what they want, instead of dealing with the heart of the problem which as I said before, is listening to them! You should think that what you say will portray a certain image, remember! What Arthur Skargill had to say was right, but the way he said it allowed the tories to label him as a communist, creating distrust amongst the masses!

As for the guy selling the ceramic plates.....who's to say that he took out a loan? Maybe he won the pools or saved up for many years to start his business! You should spend a couple of years traveling the world and meeting real people on a real level, you would see this can and does happen!

As I mentioned before, what concerns me, is your world of thought seems to be reinforced by assumptions, who they are, what they want, what they believe etc etc and because it's your opinion, your sticking with it, and as such, if for example you entered politics.......no one would really listen!

Fendertele said...

Ones opinion is all one has. If you spend all day listening to all sides of the argument and considering every view point then you would end up agreeing with who ever is talking at the time (A bit like the animals in animal farm who agree either with Napoleon or Snowball depending on which one is speaking at the time).

The point is to advocate that which you believe in and others will either agree or disagree.

Why do people buy the consumerist crap that they do? Because they want to?

No.

Its because they are told to by T.v advertising and billboards. It tells them that by owning this and owning that they can be successful in life and more importantly they can project the image of success to onlookers.

If this was not the case then why do companies spend millions on advertising?

Now, these same people that bought all this rubbish to go with their designer over priced house are crying to the government about mortgage rates and how they are getting evicted because of falling behind with the mortgage.

Erm hello! Are these not the same people that moan about tax going to state benefits and who harp on about self reliance and free market principles.

Hmmm funny how they suddenly cling to the government for protection and blame the government for the predicament they are now in.

Perhaps they should have bought a house in a less trendy part of town